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Anonymous Assessment
Posted 3 months ago, last post 3 months ago by noiseless
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Voting Poll You must login or register to access this! Bah. Firstly, Why do we have this? All it is is a flawed system for cowards to hide behind. The systems bring no good to the assessing standpoint. All I've even seen it be used for is either people who want to give shit assessments because they don't like one of the authors (Which is not allowed) or people who use their friends to give them high marks and don't wanna be caught doing it. (I know mods can see them somehow but still.) I REALLY see nothing good that can come from this kind of system. If someone can somehow persuade me into thinking differently go right ahead.

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	: Cake Or Death? \| Y2M	x 9
	Posted 3 months ago
If there are abusive assessments, whether they are anonymous or not they should still get reported to the section moderator. Theres no problem with anonymous assessments. Protects them from retribution from the author since most can't take constructive criticism. Bad assessment. Report it. Problem solved. But friends assessing each others work has always existed and will continue to happen.

	: + moderatorz \| Y2M	x 5
	Posted 3 months ago
I agree with lost. That's the whole reason it was put into place. To eliminate the sense of revenge. If you don't like the assessment, report it to a mod. IT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.

	. Late night sex, so wet and so tight \| Y2M	x 3
	Posted 3 months ago
Some annoymous assessments, actually have good advice, and improvements. Your just too much of an asshat, to listen to the advice/improvements. Other then that I agree that some of the assesments, given off by the annoymous is unacceptable.

	: The Table Runner \| Y2M	x 4
	Posted 3 months ago
I agree with you Paul. This argument has been said a lot of times and yet nothing is done. This system is majorly flawed. Sure you can report these anonymous posts to admins, but you could also do that with the original system. This system gives people more of a will to give poor assessments. It is a way to hide from the author and other members whether it is a good assessment or not. This system makes people feel like this is 4chan, and we need to stray away from that feeling. Now a days there are more poor assessments just because they feel as if they are hidden. I say strip this system immediately. All it encourages is poor decision making. There should be no reason to hide from the community when you assess or post. If it turns out that you become harassed by the author then you can take action from there. If you have ripe then you could always block that person, or if it is serious then an admin can gag that person. There are other alternatives than this system.

	: + moderatorz \| Y2M	x 3
	Posted 3 months ago
How? If the assessment is unjust and reported they will be punished! At least this way we can guarantee you won't flame back at them.

	: The Table Runner \| Y2M	x 3
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by NoiseLess How? If the assessment is unjust and reported they will be punished! At least this way we can guarantee you won't flame back at them. If there is an extreme such as flaming then action can be taken place. If the assessment is well criticized then there shouldn't be an issue. Just post constructive feed back and list ways to improve whatever the submission is then you should be fine.

	. Civilization is over; Elect the dead. \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
There's one or two things that I like and hate about this system. 1. This system could be really nice if you want to rate a friends skin, and it sucks but you want to give the honest truth without hurting their feelings. That's it. 2. This was the first assessment I got on my last release (with Paul here) "Posted by Anonymous Pros: ITS HORRIBAL! Notes: I DONT LIKE IT" Score = 0. Then there's another one that is just completely ignorant. Overall the model is good, but the textures are bland. There are very little details, or anything. The grip doesnt even look like theres a texture on it. It looks like just plain black. Where are the scratches, high lights, and "detail"? Because Sure as hell I dont see it. You just have a base texture on it, and thats it. I'm not saying it's the best skin on this site, or anything. But I know it has detail, and it's not just the base texture. This assessment is completely ignorant. I'm up for the removal of this system.

	: + moderatorz \| Y2M	x 2
	Posted 3 months ago
We all know we can never stop nonconstructive feedback. If we can't stop that, the least we can do is try to cut down on members and the little kiddies here abusing one another over a rating someone gave them! Regardless, if there is a problem a mod will handle it, that's why we are here. Anonymous or not, an unjust assessment will get punished. Do you understand the gist of what I'm saying?

	Golgo_13 . aka technicalbbq \| Y2M	x 2
	Posted 3 months ago
Bashing the anon assessments but making the voting anon =\

	: The Table Runner \| Y2M	x 0
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by NoiseLess We all know we can never stop nonconstructive feedback. If we can't stop that, the least we can do is try to cut down on members and the little kiddies here abusing one another over a rating someone gave them! Regardless, if there is a problem a mod will handle it, that's why we are here. Anonymous or not, an unjust assessment will get punished. Do you understand the gist of what I'm saying? I understand, but this system is not needed. Just like you said, "That's why we are here". This system just gives users the idea that they can get away with poor judgment. Whether they can or not, we would be much better off without it.

	. Civilization is over; Elect the dead. \| Y2M	x 2
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by NoiseLess We all know we can never stop nonconstructive feedback. If we can't stop that, the least we can do is try to cut down on members and the little kiddies here abusing one another over a rating someone gave them! Regardless, if there is a problem a mod will handle it, that's why we are here. Anonymous or not, an unjust assessment will get punished. Do you understand the gist of what I'm saying? Yeah, I already got the last assessment appealed. Still, most of the time you can just talk to the person and try to convince them that they are being too harsh, or let them see the actual amount of work in it. Show them why it's not as horrible as it is. But now, all I know about this person is that they have Ripe. That's like....100+ members...I'll never know :(

	: Cake Or Death? \| Y2M	x 5
	Posted 3 months ago
Your all just sore because people can honestly rate your submissions rather than only getting 9's and 10's as the only options available for rating. Seriously, very little on this site deserves perfect 10's. Its come to the point where getting a 10/10 has lost its meaning. Friends can now honestly rate others submissions and give actual scores tot he submission. The spam of 10's is a huge problem thats being addressed with the anon assessing and EF Feedback awards. Without that, even a 7/10 was getting appealed or the author posting in the persons profile complaining. With anon available the amount of flaming and arguing that goes on from rating something is almost null. You should never be concerned with WHO's rating your work, but rather with WHAT they are saying about it. You don't need to know who the person is to make the post better/worse. The content speaks for itself, so if you can't deal with the content then report it to a moderator as you've always done, if its actually a valid problem then its dealt with, but if it did nothing more than bruise your ego then we don't have to deal with the whole mess of you yelling at another user who did nothing wrong but post what was wrong with the submission. Why do you care who commented on your submission? it doesn't matter. CSA is sticking around,

	. Napalm In The Morning \| Y2M	x 4
	Posted 3 months ago
If someone gives honest and constructive criticism to a submission why should they have to be afraid of the authors? If I rate someone's submission low for whatever reason and it's the truth then the last thing I worry about is retribution from them against my own submissions. For one I'd like to think we can move beyond such childish behavior and two if I'm stating my opinion/criticism I want people to know it's my opinion. If you are too afraid to have an opinion tied to you then get out. Anonymous is for 4chan, leave it there.

	. OBAMA: One Man Cult of Personality \| Y2M	x 6
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by NoiseLess We all know we can never stop nonconstructive feedback. If we can't stop that, the least we can do is try to cut down on members and the little kiddies here abusing one another over a rating someone gave them! Regardless, if there is a problem a mod will handle it, that's why we are here. Anonymous or not, an unjust assessment will get punished. Do you understand the gist of what I'm saying? I see exactly what you're saying. You're saying that things should work exactly the same whether Anonymous Assessments are instituted or not... ...so therefore, Anonymous Assessing is basically worthless and only serves to give asshats an extra sense of security; which they in turn use to make shitty assessments. Congratulations on finally implementing a fail-safe service to encourage the negative aspects of the site, while providing absolutely no positives. The plain fact of the matter is that the internet is already anonymous enough. If you're too much of a pussy to sign your already fake name to an assessment (no matter how brutal it may be), you have no business posting it in the first place.

	: + moderatorz \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
You guys are all looking at the names then when someone assess's you?? It shouldn't matter! The mods will OBVIOUSLY see who is abusing the CSA system and if they abuse it enough, BUB BYE CSA PRIVILEGES!!! Not to long ago we were all bitching about the old system and how it was all revenge rating. In my opinion, since the anom system, it has dropped. To paul, next time you bash the 'nanner can you also give us some feed back on how you want the problem fixed. Simply removing it doesn't help.

	: Cake Or Death? \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by CapnJack If someone gives honest and constructive criticism to a submission why should they have to be afraid of the authors? If I rate someone's submission low for whatever reason and it's the truth then the last thing I worry about is retribution from them against my own submissions. For one I'd like to think we can move beyond such childish behavior and two if I'm stating my opinion/criticism I want people to know it's my opinion. If you are too afraid to have an opinion tied to you then get out. Anonymous is for 4chan, leave it there. I do just that, but do you know how much crap I deal with in private messages every single day from the kids whos work I've rated, gave very detailed points on, posted pictures even of their problems, and told them how to improve? I spend about half an hour each day, on a good day to boot, dealing with that stuff. We're dealing with a site population thats largely in the 12-16 age category who because they are so young still have overinflated egos about themselves that won't go away till later in their lives. Been told their entire lives what they've done is amazing great by their Moms, Dads and friends. Why would they say otherwise.

	: The Table Runner \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by Lost With anon available the amount of flaming and arguing that goes on from rating something is almost null. You should never be concerned with WHO's rating your work, but rather with WHAT they are saying about. That is to be expected when you can not see who gave you the assessment. Also to address something, if someone gives me a "low" score, or just something that I do not agree with, then I would like the freedom to discuss it. You assume that every author is going to start a flame war or something when they do not get the score they were wanting. If this was a site like newgrounds or something that if your work gets on the front page and the next day you log in to find your subwatch blinking over 1,000 then I would not care because there would not be enough time to look through all of the posts. Your work has to be pretty damn good to even receive 2 pages of posts on this site. Every comment on my work I take personal. I am passionate about what I have done and do and if someone says different then who has the right to tell me that I can not talk to them about their rating. Whether they want to hear from the author or not they have that choice. You can block the person if you have ripe or report the problem to someone. It is that simple.

	: Cake Or Death? \| Y2M	x 0
	Posted 3 months ago
You can appeal assessments. Did we say you cant?

	: + moderatorz \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by -Emperor-Doom- Posted by NoiseLess We all know we can never stop nonconstructive feedback. If we can't stop that, the least we can do is try to cut down on members and the little kiddies here abusing one another over a rating someone gave them! Regardless, if there is a problem a mod will handle it, that's why we are here. Anonymous or not, an unjust assessment will get punished. Do you understand the gist of what I'm saying? I see exactly what you're saying. You're saying that things should work exactly the same whether Anonymous Assessments are instituted or not... ...so therefore, Anonymous Assessing is basically worthless and only serves to give asshats an extra sense of security; which they in turn use to make shitty assessments. Congratulations on finally implementing a fail-safe service to encourage the negative aspects of the site, while providing absolutely no positives. The plain fact of the matter is that the internet is already anonymous enough. If you're too much of a pussy to sign your already fake name to an assessment (no matter how brutal it may be), you have no business posting it in the first place. I completely understand you man. I'm not being sarcastic. The internet is based around the anonymous and those who hide behind it to feel tough. At least with the anom system we can just gag and ban people who abuse it. Simple as that. No flame wars between members etc etc.. I agree, your a pussy bitch to hide behind the system to be an asshole. It will be taken care of though. It's there to do what LOST just said. To prevent flaming from honest assessments that members can't handle.

	. Napalm In The Morning \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by Lost We're dealing with a site population thats largely in the 12-16 age category who because they are so young still have overinflated egos about themselves that won't go away till later in their lives. Been told their entire lives what they've done is amazing great by their Moms, Dads and friends. Why would they say otherwise. I suppose I can't argue with spam prevention. My opinion still stands but that's why there's a choice to remain seen or be anonymous. It's just a shame that knowledgeable people such as yourself have to hide their identity when they're sharing some of their wisdom in a topic they're proficient on. But as you said we must consider the audience.

	: The Table Runner \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by Lost You can appeal assessments. Did we say you cant? I realize that, but I am talking about going 1on1 with someone. You should have the right to talk to someone in a civil manor about your score. Of course not all the time will an argument be civil, but that is the art of negotiation.

	: + moderatorz \| Y2M	x 0
	Posted 3 months ago
Alright. If all we are going to do IS BITCH ABOUT IT, don't say anything. Come up with a solution then post. And don't say "Just remove the system". It will bring us back to the old system which had flaws as it is. Come up with something new.

	: The Table Runner \| Y2M	x 2
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by NoiseLess Alright. If all we are going to do IS BITCH ABOUT IT, don't say anything. Come up with a solution then post. And don't say "Just remove the system". It will bring us back to the old system which had flaws as it is. Come up with something new. This is "Bash the Banana", not "Features and Suggestions". At any rate everyone in this thread has a valid argument, We are not bitching, we are clearly discussion both sides of the issue at hand.

	: + moderatorz \| Y2M	x 0
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by Wildcard777 Posted by NoiseLess Alright. If all we are going to do IS BITCH ABOUT IT, don't say anything. Come up with a solution then post. And don't say "Just remove the system". It will bring us back to the old system which had flaws as it is. Come up with something new. This is "Bash the Banana", not "Features and Suggestions". At any rate everyone in this thread has a valid argument, We are not bitching, we are clearly discussion both sides of the issue at hand. Sorry to say, but senseless flamming won't get us anywhere.

	. Napalm In The Morning \| Y2M	x 0
	Posted 3 months ago
I don't see any fire.

	. OBAMA: One Man Cult of Personality \| Y2M	x 2
	Posted 3 months ago
I don't even care about the assholes that use it for bad assessments. What pisses me off is that no one seems to realize that it's superfluous! It "solves" problems that already had solutions, while causing new ones. Let's do some roleplaying to get to the real root of the problem here.... Mr. A gets insulted by Mr. B's assessment. He now has 4 choices: 1) Let it go. - has no bearing in the conversation. 2) bitch at Mr. B. - easily solved by Mr. B reporting him. 3) give Mr. B's next release a low grade out of spite. - Again, Mr. B then reports Mr. A and the problem is solved. 4) appeal Mr. B's assessment. - The correct decision. Next time, just promote the correct use of assessments instead of contriving a system takes away any personal responsibility tied into assessing work, while removing any justified author's right to know who's tearing into their works. The entire thing reaks more of mod laziness than any genuine concern for the amount of flaming on the site.

	. Rock, Paper, SCIENCE. \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by technicalbbq Bashing the anon assessments but making the voting anon =\ Good catch. Never noticed. I know the rules Of "If it's bad report it" but the anon assessing just promotes bad marks therefore causing more work for others when the old methods sufficed.
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	: The Table Runner \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by -Emperor-Doom- I don't even care about the assholes that use it for bad assessments. What pisses me off is that no one seems to realize that it's superflous! It "solves" problems that already had solutions, while causing new ones. Let's do some roleplaying to get to the real root of the problem here.... Mr. A gets insulted by Mr. B's assessment. He now has 4 choices: 1) Let it go. - has no bearing in the conversation. 2) bitch at Mr. B. - easily solved by Mr. B reporting him. 3) give Mr. B's next release a low grade out of spite. - Again, Mr. B then reports Mr. A and the problem is solved. 4) appeal Mr. B's assessment. - The correct decision. Next time, just promote the correct use of assessments instead of contriving a system takes away any personal responsibility tied into assessing work, while removing any justified author's right to know who's tearing into their works. The entire thing reaks more of mod laziness than any genuine concern for the amount of flaming on the site. A 5th option would be to block Mr. B so in the future that person can not rate Mr. A's work or post on it.

	. Napalm In The Morning \| Y2M	x 4
	Posted 3 months ago
I feel the system could in ways involve MORE mod intervention. I mean let's say someone disapproves of a submission for "incorrect" credits. It happens, sometimes someone comes along thinking they just picked a flaw in your submission's credits and they disapprove (hell even I've almost done this). Now last time this happened to me I talked it out with the person who disapproved, nothing got nasty, I simply firmly insisted he was in fact wrong about his assessment. Now it did take some coaxing but had it been an anonymous assessment I would not have necessarily been able to determine who to contact to discuss his assessment. Whenever possible the community should work out these problems, not the mods, because it promotes positive interaction between members and strengthens the community. Being anonymous undermines that positive community interaction somewhat.

	: The Table Runner \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by CapnJack I feel the system could in ways involve MORE mod intervention. I mean let's say someone disapproves of a submission for "incorrect" credits. It happens, sometimes someone comes along thinking they just picked a flaw in your submission's credits and they disapprove (hell even I've almost done this). Now last time this happened to me I talked it out with the person who disapproved, nothing got nasty, I simply firmly insisted he was in fact wrong about his assessment. Now it did take some coaxing but had it been an anonymous assessment I would not have necessarily been able to determine who to contact to discuss his assessment. Whenever possible the community should work out these problems, not the mods, because it promotes positive interaction between members and strengthens the community. Being anonymous undermines that positive community interaction somewhat. That is a perfect example. None more needs to be said.

	McTavish . Tactical and Realism Jackass \| Y2M	x 0
	Posted 3 months ago
They aren't really needed here. Half the time they don't even post constructive feedback. A few days ago I read one that said "I don't like this" then gave it a low rating!
Tactical and Realism Jackass
	. Rock, Paper, SCIENCE. \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by CapnJack I feel the system could in ways involve MORE mod intervention. I mean let's say someone disapproves of a submission for "incorrect" credits. It happens, sometimes someone comes along thinking they just picked a flaw in your submission's credits and they disapprove (hell even I've almost done this). Now last time this happened to me I talked it out with the person who disapproved, nothing got nasty, I simply firmly insisted he was in fact wrong about his assessment. Now it did take some coaxing but had it been an anonymous assessment I would not have necessarily been able to determine who to contact to discuss his assessment. Whenever possible the community should work out these problems, not the mods, because it promotes positive interaction between members and strengthens the community. Being anonymous undermines that positive community interaction somewhat. Leave it to jack to make the best argument on the subject. No good can come from this system (Maybe some but the amount of bad outweighs it) And I say we revert back to old ways. And for the record, Ionik if you were referring to your post all you said was the skins suck and it looks like solid base. I hardly find that constructive.
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	: Cake Or Death? \| Y2M	x 2
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by -Emperor-Doom- Mr. A gets insulted by Mr. B's assessment. He now has 4 choices: 1) Let it go. - has no bearing in the conversation. 2) bitch at Mr. B. - easily solved by Mr. B reporting him. 3) give Mr. B's next release a low grade out of spite. - Again, Mr. B then reports Mr. A and the problem is solved. 4) appeal Mr. B's assessment. - The correct decision. With Anonymous assessment: Posted by -Emperor-Doom- Mr. A gets insulted by Mr. B's assessment. He now has 4 choices: 1) Let it go. - has no bearing in the conversation. 2) bitch at Mr. B. - easily solved by Mr. B reporting him. 3) give Mr. B's next release a low grade out of spite. - Again, Mr. B then reports Mr. A and the problem is solved. 4) appeal Mr. B's assessment. - The correct decision. Only One option left. There is no way to do otherwise. problem solved. No extra issues or mess to clean up. In a perfect world we wouldn't need it but we do, the sites 90% 12-16 year olds who don't give any respect out towards others nor can take constructive criticism or talk with one another in a "civil manner" as you all say they can. it doesn't work like that, their kids, they won't grow up anytime soon so we make the best of it and give us more room to work on the assessments themselves rather than the arguments between people. We are focusing on constructive criticism and proper ratings based on the post quality right now, withholding dozens of posts each day to improve submissions and the content on them. Do you really want us to stop doing that and go right back to petty disagreements between users because one likes one thing and the other doesn't? Doing that just goes right back to every assesment is just "good job" and "nice one" rather than anything that actually helps you. Seriously, its unproductive to just remove something because you can't handle not knowing who someone is. Again, only the post and the rating matters, the person who made it doesn't. You shouldn't care who is looking at, rating, and posting on your submission. Just think about what they are saying and ignore who they are whether is anonymous or not. Someone tells you how to fix something and you do it, was that because their name told you to? no, the post did. Name doesn't mean anything. Its not that the systems broken its that you refuse to use it as its meant to. Because you can't report bad feedback, or appeal an assesment thats too low based on the content of the post doesn't mean remove the system because it doesn't work. Learn to use it, report posts, report map pages, for gods sake, there are TONS of ways you can notify a moderator or administrator of a problem. - Post report button. Site Reports. Link on bottom of every page. Links on main section page to moderators of those sections. Report submission buttons on the maps and skins themselves. PM's and Profiles of moderators you know personally. A giant contact list of every Admin/Moderator and their abilities on a single page available on the bottom of the site... Again, the systems not broken, you just don't want to do any work other than complaining. If you have a problem with something then deal with the problem itself and get a moderator to help you if needed. But seriously, don't blame the system. It works perfectly fine for everyone else.

	. Rock, Paper, SCIENCE. \| Y2M	x 0
	Posted 3 months ago
I would rather have the default than this piece of shit. goody, after talking with Ionik I get this assessment on my galil retexture. It's over 7 though so I can't appeal. Seams even after his being in this thread he still seams to abuse the system. See how pissed this shitty system makes me? Everything I do some big faggot comes in and does shit like this and it pisses me straight off.
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	: Cake Or Death? \| Y2M	x 1
	Posted 3 months ago
Posted by Paul I would rather have the default than this piece of shit. goody, after talking with Ionik I get this assessment on my galil retexture. It's over 7 though so I can't appeal. Seams even after his being in this thread he still seams to abuse the system. See how pissed this shitty system makes me? Everything I do some big faggot comes in and does shit like this and it pisses me straight off. Your proving our point, from a single assesment your retaliating first before reporting it and trying to get it fixed. Also you are blaming the wrong person. Your fighting agaist someone because you THOUGHT they made that assessment, if they actually had I doubt your response would be any different than what it is now. Calm down you two and take a break.

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